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    3 months ago

    Makes perfect sense to me, some things are best taught through punishment, I don’t question this for a moment. And I could see that eating at the wrong time is something you want kids not to do. So, I completely agree with you.

    But my question is not whether this should be punished at all, it’s about which genius thought that sharing would be a good idea for a punishment. There’s a million and a half different kinds of punishments the teacher could choose from, and they often choose “sharing” as the punishment, teaching kids to associate sharing with punishment. I don’t care to question that punishment is in order, I just care about the kind of punishment that is often chosen.












  • but I don’t think companies should be allowed to sell it as “milk” in any form

    Well sure, and they haven’t been able to in almost a decade. This court ruling is about something else. They’re not calling it milk, they’re not mislabelling their product. In fact, the campaign this is about is them saying explicitly this is not milk, and apparently that goes too far. I’m totally with you that food labelling should be clear, but this is not about that. This is not consumer protection. This is anticompetitive agribusiness lobbying, no more, no less.


  • I’m getting strong rest of the owl vibes from a lot of what you say.

    So for example, you say you need strong allies. Well, list some candidates! China? They have a policy of non-intervention, so don’t count on it. Cuba? Not very strong. The US, or some other nation that’s captured by the owning class (Netherlands, France, Germany, etc)? Fat chance.

    Same with the focus having folks join unions more. I think it’s a great outcome to strive for, but how do we achieve that goal? On a systemic level we see union membership dropping, and that’s no coincidence, because more and more anti-union legislation is enacted across the board in Europe and America. And that in turn is no coincidence because the people who really don’t want us to unionize have enough money to lobby this legislation into existence, and they happen to own the media, so they’re also doing a good job of convincing us that it is against our interests to join a union. Voting a pro-union candidate into power is incredibly difficult for the simple fact that campaign funds are a pretty decent predictor of electoral success, and guess who has the money to contribute significant amounts to those funds? Not me.

    The education thing too is pretty great, but it assumes that some worker-friendly entity already has control over the education system. How do you get there? And education only goes so far of course. At some point folks leave the educational system, and their main source of information becomes the media. I’ve seen well-educated folks be completely convinced that there is no genocide in Gaza, and I could not blame them, because for the first year no major outlet would even utter the word. How do you prevent the media from being captured by the owning class?

    Ultimately the problem is that the opponent has the means and willingness to use violence to quell your movement. And they’ve shown time and again that they will use these means, and history shows it works (Allende, the Spanish anarchist revolution, the Paris commune, Indonesia’s takeover by Suharto, Lumumba, etc). How do you defend yourself effectively against a violent aggressor without resorting to illiberal means yourself?


  • Yeah! And we need to do it in a way where the incredibly rich and powerful who have a vested interest and desparate need for us to fail won’t kill our movement! In the past and present, any socialist movement was met with

    • death squads
    • propaganda
    • military invasions
    • assasinations of heads of state
    • funding, arming, and training the opposition
    • economic sanctions
    • so, so much propaganda

    all funded by the absurdly wealthy to make nations fail and make them more amenable to re-exploitation by the owning class.

    Any ideas on how to defend ourselves against this phenomenon which occurs over and over again?


  • Yes this is correct, we’re in complete agreement there. The comment I was responding to worded it vaguely though, which made it sound like you cannot get a divorce because you have a sexless marriage. It made it sound like people were being forcibly kept married, which is false. You can get divorced because it’s Tuesday, or because the moon is in retroflux. Holding your spouse responsible for those things is a different story, however.

    For reference here’s the part of the comment I replied to:

    Should a person not be allowed to divorce if they fell out of love with their partner, ergo they turned out to have less or no more sex?

    Emphasis mine.