@gnu@lemmy.zip @memes@lemmy.world

To repeat a comment I just made, adapted to the things you mentioned in your reply:

As I said during other replies on this nested thread, i visualized this drawing as some sort of old VW Beetle: trunk at the front of the car, relatively small engine at the rear, rear traction. That’s why, at least to me, the locomotive principles clicked in my mind.

Having it come from the back makes no sense

Which I particularly understood as a small engine from a rear-traction locomotive… I mean, a combustion engine doesn’t need to be big, just see how old VW Beetles work with engines quite small compared to other cars.

But, okay, let’s say the drawing is “all wrong” or physically dubious. Why it “must be AI”? Do you people happen to have seen those Rube-Goldberg art pieces? Did Rube Goldberg use AI for his artworks?

Last but not the least, oh my Goddess! I can’t help but quote the meme: “boy, that escalated quickly”. It’s a meme, fellows, it’s meant to be a meme! Still we’re all fighting over details of a meme! I simply asked someone why they labelled this comics “AI slop”, then it developed into me trying to explain how my neurodivergent mind is visualizing the locomotive as some kind of VW Beetle shaped as a steam locomotive…

I should disassemble some old VW Beetle someday and make myself a locomotive quite similar to the one in the comics, just for you people to see what exactly I was visualizing when I was stubbornly explaining my perception of an Internet meme. 😅

@ohulancutash@feddit.uk

The “load”? You mean the boiler

No, I really meant the “load”, as in a loaded vehicle’s trunk.
As I said during other replies on this nested thread, i visualized this drawing as some sort of old VW Beetle: trunk at the front of the car, relatively small engine at the rear, rear traction. That’s why, at least to me, the locomotive principles clicked in my mind.

but a weird little cube thing on the back is making some sort of cloud.

Which I particularly understood as a small engine from a rear-traction locomotive… I mean, a combustion engine doesn’t need to be big, just see how old VW Beetles work with engines quite small compared to other cars.

The driving wheels need to be under the weight to provide traction

Which is the reason behind the rear traction of a VW Beetle: the engine is at the rear side.

But, okay, let’s say the drawing is “all wrong” or physically dubious. Why it “must be AI”? Do you people happen to have seen those Rube-Goldberg art pieces? Did Rube Goldberg use AI for his artworks?

Last but not the least, oh my Goddess! I can’t help but quote the meme: “boy, that escalated quickly”. It’s a meme, fellows, it’s meant to be a meme! Still we’re all fighting over details of a meme! I simply asked someone why they labelled this comics “AI slop”, then it developed into me trying to explain how my neurodivergent mind is visualizing the locomotive as some kind of VW Beetle shaped as a steam locomotive…

I should disassemble some old VW Beetle someday and make myself a locomotive quite similar to the one in the comics, just for you people to see what exactly I was visualizing when I was stubbornly explaining my perception of an Internet meme. 😅

@perviouslyiner@lemmy.world @memes@lemmy.world

The wheel linkages have to be horizontal - think about it, they need to stay the same length as both wheels rotate.

In this regard, yeah… Other angles would lead to asymmetrical traction and potential breaking of the rod due to the forces involved.

Also, why is smoke coming from the coal storage and not the engine?

What if it’s not meant to be the coal storage, while the thing we’re implying to be “the engine” at the front were, in fact, the chest/trunk? I mean, if we look at the old VW Beetle cars, the trunk is at the front, the engine is at the rear, and the engine is fairly small. It’s so small and simple it’s even possible to reuse a beetle’s engine to build things… Perhaps even a rear-traction locomotive!

@greyscale@lemmy.sdf.org @Rhaedas@fedia.io @memes@lemmy.world

“Sir, this is a meme’s”. Lol

Now, being serious, it doesn’t seemed “nonsensical” to me because I’m neurodivergent myself, while the panel in question is labeled “autistic”, so it refers to an autistic individual approaching the problem of going forward in manners that can seem very unexpected in the eyes of neurotypical individuals. The rear-mounted engine? Think of old vehicles with engine at the rear. It physically makes sense, pushing forwards rather than pulling…

“Pizza oven in the back”, it’s clearly a drawing not meant to be over detailed, hence the lack of mechanical minutiae which would better distinguish it from a… “pizza oven”.

But, again, maybe you people are right and this is AI-generated, who knows… I’m just a systematic rando looking at an atypical mechanism and thinking of ways it’d work IRL.

@SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml @memes@lemmy.world

As I mentioned in my other reply to zerodawn, when it comes to the unusual placement of the engine at the locomotive’s tail, maybe it’s a surreal (albeit it would make some sense physically speaking) way to get a traction similar to rear-traction vehicles, so the engine would be pushing forwards, rather than pulling forwards.

I just don’t get what human would put the smoke stack at the back

The label inside said panel kind of answers this: autistic individuals, who think in creative and often unexpected (unexpected in the eyes of neurotypical individuals) ways. Perhaps this is why I particularly didn’t find the locomotive physics that strange: I’m myself neurodivergent, so it’s natural for me to think of the unexpected.

@zerodawn@leaf.dance @memes@lemmy.world

Oh, right, I can see it… 🤔

However, what if the very fact that it’s meant to be a meme about autistic individuals, the kind of highly creative and intelligent person who’d build quite unexpected things in quite unexpected ways (and I mean this positively, especially because I’m (likely) AuDHD myself) would be the reason why the steam engine is “reversed” (at the tail of the locomotive, rather than at the front; the first thing I can think of is rear-traction vs front-traction vehicles, with the former ones pushing forwards rather than pulling forwards)?

I mean, at least in my mind, it would even make physical sense to have a locomotive whose engine sits on the rear end, pulling the whole mass forwards. And the connecting rods, wouldn’t it be some sort of transmission mechanism so there’d be traction at the front wheels (akin to a four-wheel traction, 4x4 vehicle)? It would make physical sense as well, having the traction shared between the rear wheels and the wheel axis sitting right under the trunk, no?

But, yeah, the fact that the load is sitting in the front, thus potentially obstructing the locomotive operator’s view… Maybe I’m being too gentle with the meme, maybe you people are right and it’s indeed AI-generated, I dunno. It’s still funny, nonetheless.

@greyscale@lemmy.sdf.org @NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org
@memes@lemmy.world

Sorry to ask but… why’s it “AI slop”? What exactly are the signs and tells? To me, it looks like a normal vectorized drawing, the kind of drawing one could expect from Krita and Inkscape. I mean, even the drawing strokes seem sharp and clear (differently from the blurry kind of outline often seen in “AI slop”).

@Krauerking@lemy.lol @technology@lemmy.world

Polish Roman Catholic background. Not exactly tolerant either and now I live in a place that famously is Mennonite and Amish.

Oh… I’ve heard about the Amish… So it’s practically a similar situation over there.

If they will make you suffer why not suffer on your own terms for a cause you think worth it? Why wait to be starved by someone’s hand other than your own?

Yeah, you’re right. There’s a part of me who thinks this way, too. I guess this whole age check thing will inevitably push me in this regard.

I wish you safety and health though.

Thanks! Wish you the same.

@SalamenceFury@piefed.social @qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de
@technology@lemmy.world

The news articles about this law, if said articles were published, are likely buried under the ongoing Caso do Banco Master (a large financial scandal involving a bank), the all-encompassing political crisis going on in Brazil, the international Iran-USA conflict, among other ongoing events. There are too many things happening simultaneously, so I don’t really blame news outlets: they can only cover so much because we, as humans, can’t be aware of all things when too many things are happening. So this is why little (if anything) about said law is being reported by news outlets such as Globo/G1.

Even as a Brazilian myself, I wasn’t aware of this law (I was only aware of the so-called “Lei Felca” named after the YouTuber/TikToker Felca; but it doesn’t seem to be this law specifically). I only got to discover about this law through the English-speaking Fediverse and Nostr posts.

@Krauerking@lemy.lol @technology@lemmy.world

Wow, LOVED the shirt! 🖤 Ágios Lux ferre!

I, too, do use a similar t-shirt, whose print I designed myself tries to depict Lilith. From afar, the print isn’t that explicit, though: to the average bystander, it’s depicting a pale woman with glowing red eyes, dark red lips, straight long dark red hair and feathery dark red wings (certainly mistaken by others as angelical), holding a red rose flower. Even the text (“Rebele-se pela”, Portuguese for “Rebel yourself for” at the top; “Liberdade”, “Freedom/Liberty”, at the bottom), which is stylized (gothic font), is too small to be read from afar. The only tell is the mirrored ⯝ (the Venus/Feminine symbol but the circle is a waxing Moon; in my art, it’s actually a waning Moon for Her Crone/Reaperess aspect) tattooed on Her left cheek, and the dark wings.

The problem is how the country I was born into is utterly christian; most employers and merchants are christian, especially in small towns (one of which I reside in), which are known for “quermesses” (annual church fairs). And when the majority of potential employers, especially the local ones, are utterly christian, saying out loud about professing a different religion risks one’s own economic and social existence.

For example, a Mãe de Santo (leadress of a terreiro, which is the Afro-Brazilian sacred place of gathering) was refused an Uber car ride after the driver reprimanded her for her clothing typical of Afro-Brazilian, then she sued the driver for religious intolerance, but the judge denied her request and ruled favorable for the driver, inverting the entire situation and arguing “it was the Mãe de Santo who was religiously intolerant with the christian driver”; the judge was reported for being religiously intolerant (news articles in Portuguese), but the damage is already done).

In another example, a statue representing Lucifer/Baphomet/Exú from a Luciferian-Quimbanda temple was seized by a judicial decision after local christians became terrified of it, and the statue is still seized for more than a year.

Those became headlines, but there’s a plethora of religious intolerance going unnoticed, social ostracism caused by simply having another faith other than christianity; it even risks body integrity (e.g. gangs such as Primeiro Comando da Capital torturing and/or murdering practitioners of Afro-Brazilian faiths).

This is the persecution me and many others are fated to face as soon as age checks, tying online activity (where I don’t measure my words to praise Mother) to the legal ID, end up (inevitably) leaked (e.g. Discord age check DB leaked just days after implementing age checks).

@TriplePlaid@wetshav.ing @qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de @technology@lemmy.world

For me, a Brazilian, there’s something I must hide if I want to be employable: my occultist practices, my religion. I’m a worshiper of Lilith, surrounded by mostly Christian people. I literally heard “faux-jokes” (when people want to condemn someone, but wrapping the condemnation as a joke) tying my belief to “ending up in hell”.

Even though my legal name isn’t difficult to find through my pseudonym, you can imagine why I use a pseudonym to openly express my religion. And once digital activity is tied to my CPF (Brazilian citizen/legal identity), and I’m definitely not buying the “anonymized checking” arguments, suddenly potential employers and buyers/merchants will know I “worship the devil” and will have yet another reason to refuse hiring me or buying/selling things from/to me.

Also, some of Lilith imagery and stories involve content which is sensitive, subjected to those very “age check” laws, further making it necessary for me to comply to “age checks” whenever I want to read or write, observe or do drawings about the fundamental deity I worship.

But according to certain people, “having something to hide = must be a criminal!!!”. Because they’re likely followers of some mainstream religion which is not socially persecuted, or religion isn’t something significant in their lives.

Seriously. I’m truly tired of this world.

@danielbp@lemmy.ml @qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de @technology@lemmy.world

@potatoguy@mbin.potato-guy.space
Estou respondendo assim porque eu não consegui puxar seu comentário aqui pelo Calckey/Sharkey (e também não recebi notificação, vi pelo Lemmy.ml sem conta por ali para responder diretamente). O Calckey deu erro alegando que sua instância retornou um formato de dados “incorreto” (“Response is invalid: It could communicate with this server, but the data obtained was incorrect”).

Eu falei de meme kkkkkk

Ah, agora entendi! hahah

mas vou procurar uma distro 100% livre, talvez ir de vez pro GNU Guix

O foda é que, por mais que existam distros 100% livres, dificilmente ficarão fora dos olhos dessa lei.

E, pegando o gancho desse trecho…

Vou precisar mostrar minha CNH pro meu próprio servidor? Acho que não, pelo menos não tem como saber, a não ser que a polícia viva dentro da minha casa.

Tem outra: a gente tem que lembrar que, apesar de termos inúmeras alternativas de distros e de sistemas operacionais no PC, o PC está restrito a, basicamente, Intel e AMD.

Ademais, há não muito tempo, houve toda uma migração para TPM 2.0, inclusive por parte da comunidade Linux. O TPM 2.0 talvez seja a forma pela qual todo esse lance de verificação de idade ocorrerá, a nível de hardware. É onde, inclusive, faria mais sentido tecnicamente falando: é um hardware que basicamente dita o que pode ou não na máquina.

Daí hardware mais antigo, que não tem TPM 2.0, não só se tornará obsoleto, mas também acabaria se tornando ilegal, por carecer de mecanismos de “segurança”, tal como, como uma analogia e exemplo (embora o exemplo a seguir pode não ser um exemplo preciso ou correto), veículos muito antigos (os primeiros Fuscas, e veículos da época ou anteriores) se tornaram ilegais por carecer de itens de segurança exigidos pelo CTB (cinto de segurança, limpadores, etc).

@danielbp@lemmy.ml @qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de @technology@lemmy.world

As pessoas já lhe responderam, mas permita-me aqui fazer uma ênfase:

Lei nº 15.211 de 17/09/2025
[…]
Art. 2º Para os fins desta Lei, considera-se:
I – produto ou serviço de tecnologia da informação: produto ou serviço fornecido a distância, por meio eletrônico e provido em virtude de requisição individual, tais como aplicações de internet, programas de computador, software s, sistemas operacionais de terminais, lojas de aplicações de internet e jogos eletrônicos ou similares conectados à internet ou a outra rede de comunicações;
[…]
Art. 9º Os fornecedores de produtos ou serviços de tecnologia da informação que disponibilizarem conteúdo, produto ou serviço cuja oferta ou acesso seja impróprio, inadequado ou proibido para menores de 18 (dezoito) anos de idade deverão adotar medidas eficazes para impedir o seu acesso por crianças e adolescentes no âmbito de seus serviços e produtos.

§ 1º Para dar efetividade ao disposto no caput, deverão ser adotados mecanismos confiáveis de verificação de idade a cada acesso do usuário ao conteúdo, produto ou serviço de que trata o caput deste artigo, vedada a autodeclaração.

https://normas.leg.br/?urn=urn:lex:br:federal:lei:2025%3B15211

Ou seja: não será uma caixinha pra selecionar a data de nascimento, ou um botão “sim, sou adulto”, porque ambos seriam “auto-declaração”. Em outras palavras: validação facial ou identidade (reconhecimento facial via terminal do Linux, could you imagine that?!) pra usar a porra de um computador. E considerando que aplicativos e websites são sine qua non pra muita coisa essencial a fim de se “viver em sociedade” (contas bancárias e Pix, carteira digital de trânsito e outras identidades digitais, gov.br que agora exige autenticação de dois fatores, etc), sendo vedado portanto o Luditismo pelas dinâmicas sociais, sinceramente… pra mim esse mundo e essa minha existência já extrapolou meu limite existencial e, se minha Deusa Mãe Lilith quiser, vou-me logo logo simbora desse pálido ponto azul de uma vez por todas!

O pessoal que tá dizendo que vai instalar outros sistemas operacionais que não Windows e Linux (como, por exemplo, @potatoguy@mbin.potato-guy.space mencionou TempleOS): essa lei afeta todo e qualquer sistema operacional porque a galera lá de Brasília não entende de ciência da computação (como vai ficar o Alpine no Docker, outras formas de virtualização como QEMU e VirtualBox? Será que computação em nuvem vai virar “coisa ilegal” que nem VPN virou no DesReino Unido e que também já tem precedente de definição como “ilícito” em algumas decisões do Supremo aqui no Brasil? (não entro no mérito dessas decisões, estou simplesmente lembrando que isso já ocorreu)).

Mas é lei, sancionada pelo Excelentíssimo Presidente da República Federativa do Brasil, Luís Inácio Lula da Silva. E tudo indica que passará a ser policiada e fiscalizada daqui duas semanas.

@Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus @StopTech@lemmy.today

As a Brazilian, I wasn’t aware of how many cities and towns named “Iran” we had, especially throughout the state of Amazonas (guess what is located in Amazonas that USA wants to snatch so badly?). Gonna visit Iran someday, but it seems like a long travel. At least the most geographically close Iran from where I live would be “Irã, Paraná”. 😅

@Feyd@programming.dev @technology@lemmy.world

What?! Lying?! It’s literally in Firefox official git repo, for Goddess’ sake!!

https://github.com/mozilla-firefox/firefox/blob/4bc9c2f9b62e7cb44894d581c8171edbf0f7e27f/browser/locales/en-US/browser/preferences/preferences.ftl#L2370C132-L2370C150

(And, oh, as a double-twist, the following screenshot proves I do have Firefox, even though I use Waterfox as my daily driver; here I’m using Firefox because my GitHub account is logged in in there, and to dismantle your ad hominem that “I’m not even convinced you’ve used it [Firefox]” )

But, you’re right, there’s no purpose in continuing this debate. Enjoy the new soon-to-be “Agentic Browser” Mozilla FAIrefox!

@XLE@piefed.social @Feyd@programming.dev @technology@lemmy.world

The most menacing thing in that picture is the bold red text, assuming it isn’t Photoshopped that way

I’m interacting from Sharkey, on a Lemmy thread, and you’re interacting from PieFed. I’m not sure if PieFed fetches the alt-text from images. If you access my original Sharkey note, you’ll see the following alt-text:

Screenshot of confirmation dialog “Block AI enhancements?” with “or pop-ups about them” highlighted.

I disclosed the fact that “or pop-ups about them” was highlighted. Also, a quick reverse image search would point to the original picture where said excerpt isn’t highlighted.

It would be photoshopping/photo manipulation if I removed, added or changed text from the picture, which I didn’t.

I’ve seen Firefox implement other dark patterns, including hiding the ability to disable ads from within the homepage

Exactly, and even this one is a matter of conundrum when it’s brought to the table. Because Mozilla, and corporations in general, know the exact, dosimetric approach of pushing dark patterns, not too hard so all the user base would readily notice and complain, not too soft so all the shareholders wouldn’t see the “graph line go up”. Just the right amount to make things dance to their song.

Even today, stating how the opting-out of “Sponsored shortcuts” isn’t trivial for the average user (not to mention how said user will see the sponsored shortcuts at least once as they head to turn them off), is met with people blindly advocating for Mozilla (which, let us remember, they’re a corporation with corporate interests, not a lifelong friend or a fellow trustworthy acquaintance, and corporations are driven by profit, not by friendship or psychological well-being).

But this isn’t really one of them

The opt-out implies a feature that was pushed without consent.

Again, I bring my heavy hypothetical example: if a harasser offers the harassed a way out of the harassment after having initiated the harassment, would this make the harasser less of a harasser? Hell no, of course no! It’s still harassment! It turns out opt-out features are exactly that: something that gives you the “right” to leave, only after it was pushed onto you.

And The fact that “opting-out” requires double confirmation only makes it worse, as if the hypothetical harassed were to be ask by the hypothetical harasser “are you sure you don’t want this?” before being “allowed” to be freed from the hypothetical harassment.

Users have been begging Mozilla for StartPage integration, but Mozilla gave them a Perplexity integration instead.

Exactly, another dark pattern, and another proof of how Mozilla is not a friend, but a corporation.

the ones that give them money

Yeah. And this is often the justification people often use to advocate for that: “oh, but Mozilla needs to mane money” (at what cost?), as if donation-based economy weren’t a thing.

@Feyd@programming.dev @technology@lemmy.world

Maybe you got lucky and the routine which triggers said pop-ups didn’t happen yet, doesn’t mean that “that doesn’t happen”. Again: Firefox literally mentions pop-ups about “AI enhancement” features, it’s not something I’m confabulating:

Block AI enhancements? You won’t see new or current AI enhancements in Firefox, or pop-ups about them.

It’s ipsis literis from the Firefox opt-out confirmation dialog. They wouldn’t mention said pop-ups if they weren’t to happen.

@skamu@mastodon.uno @technology@lemmy.world @Feyd@programming.dev

asking for a confirmation before turning on/off the AI functionalities

The thing is, there doesn’t seem to be confirmation before turning clankers on (at least I didn’t find screenshots in this regard), but there is such a confirmation before turning the whole thing off (that is, from the default-on state Mozilla pushed unto the software upon updating/installing).

If both situations involved double confirmation dialog in a symmetrical manner (“are you sure you want to proceed with activating this feature?” coexisting with “are you sure you want to opt-off from this feature?”), that would be fair. Pretty annoying, but fair. But this fairness doesn’t seem to be happening, no confirmation dialog seems to exist for actually using the feature. The only thing similar to a “confirmation” during further usage of “AI Enhancements” would be the authentication step from whatever clanker was chosen from the suspiciously-biased list of clankers (ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, Llama, Mistral; no non-Western options such as Qwen or DeepSeek, for example).

as it is a disruptive action that affect overall users

How disruptive would be turning off a feature that is far from being essential to browsing (and, in practice, may end up rendering the whole browsing experience worse with inaccurate summarization and potential vulnerabilities (prompt injection, remote code execution, etc), produced by pieces of software explicitly labeled as “it may produce inaccuracies”)?

Not to say how, as I mentioned initially, the entire premise of bringing it as default-on with now the added “right” to “opt-off” is, itself, non-consensual relationship, insofar the user didn’t seek it by themselves. Clankers would be a nice feature for some niches and use cases (again: I myself use LLMs, but it stems from my own decision to do so, not because it was pushed onto me; something I opted-in), but it should be voluntarily sought, installed and turned on by the user as they please, not as “default-on” option.

Anyway, all good. It is nice to see people with this kind of concerns

Sure, no problems, that’s reciprocal, we’re good! Throughout my exchanges in this entire thread, I tried to keep it respectful (at least when it comes to the debate and my peers; of course I’m fiercely criticizing Mozilla Corporation, because they were once the ones who “will never sell your data”) and trying to debate the idea and not the peer’s person.

My concerns, in the end of the day, are just an attempt to advocate for the total, non-negotiable autonomy and Free Will (as far as Free Will can get in a deterministic cosmic existence) of users, far from just my own; and this involves denouncing potential corporate biases whenever a corporation brings up another brick in the already-tall wall of enshittification, naming and shaming corporations for their greedy corporate behavior.

@Orygin@sh.itjust.works @technology@lemmy.world

While some of the intricacies I brought into this discussion may stem from my specific, neurodivergent/AuDHD perception of the world, the overall thing involving dark pattern and the psychological influence of design is not something I’m inventing: it’s literally an intersection between design and psychology, extensively researched by academia:

- “The Psychology of Design: Understanding User Behavior to Enhance User Experience”, International Journal of Emerging Technologies and Innovative Research (www.jetir.org), ISSN:2349-5162, Vol.9, Issue 12, page no.g529-g534, December-2022, http://www.jetir.org/papers/JETIR2212681.pdf
- “The application of color theory in UI/UX design”, Milot Gusia, UBT international conference, 2024, https://knowledgecenter.ubt-uni.net/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4924&context=conference
- “Dark patterns and consumer vulnerability”, Amit Zac et al, Cambridge University Press, 2025, https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/behavioural-public-policy/article/dark-patterns-and-consumer-vulnerability/83EF6347CCB19EDA195C54229D34D3A8

But, you know what? Yeah, it’s all horse shit, corporations don’t exploit the vulnerabilities involuntarily ingrained within our brains since our births for profit, Mozilla (alongside Google who gives them money to keep Google Gemini clanker formerly Google Search as the default search engine) is a such an innocent (practically angelical) very-friendly corporation with a cute fox mascot, and I am just a pretending-to-be DevOps who clearly have no clue what I’m talking about…

@skamu@mastodon.uno @technology@lemmy.world @Feyd@programming.dev

Post scriptum (I’m unable to edit my replies using Sharkey): regarding the dark pattern within the modal from the opt-out confirmation dialog, I explained my understanding of it on a reply to Feyd (my reply that starts with “When we develop a system…” and explored the psychological/behavioral aspects of user interface development). I didn’t link it directly here because, as I’m using Sharkey, my link to my reply would likely leave the Lemmy environment into the Sharkey environment.