I’m sure it isn’t a coincidence, he has to pull off a near impossible hit in Paris for his boss after fucking up a hit in San Francisco, and the author took a trip to Paris himself about a year or two ago.

That’s the name of the main char in the book I’m reading lol, Brut by Sam Tallent. Gay spy thriller lol, pretty good!

Community Notes:

Vapes are safer than cigarettes, nobody in the history of ever has claimed they were safer than fresh air (city air, maybe). Independent studies done (mostly by the UK outside of the Phillip-Morrisphere) show it to be 95% safer than analog smoking, due to a lack of tar and other carcinogens produced by the burning of plant matter.

Vapes have more nicotine in them than cigarettes but “10 times” is a nonsense number pulled directly from your ass. What mg/ml are you referencing exactly? It’s commonly sold between 3mg and 6mg for freebase and 20, 40, or 50 for salt nic, one of those is probably about correct for your math, which one?

Furthermore the reason for the increased nicotine content is the disparity in the absorption of nicotine between the ROIs, vaping it is less efficient than smoking it, and freebase absorbs differently than salt nic at that. You absorb less nicotine/hit vaping than smoking, so if you increase the nic content you can compensate for that. Of course you can overdo it too, and I also used to smoke a pack and a half a day, some only smoke like say half a pack.

The real “issue” is the ease, for instance I can vape at my desk at work but not smoke, so I vape more since I don’t have to take a whole ass break for it, but in essence I’ve simply digitized the Mad Men era, they used to do what I do, but analog. Then again, if I couldn’t do that, I’d have a log of zyns on me, it’s not exactly like I’d be nicotine free.

BUT would it be safer for me to chainsmoke cigarettes all day, or vape a bunch? That is the question, not “would it be safer for me to vape or not?”

Inb4 “popcorn lung.” You know cigarettes have 2,000x the amount of diacetyl (the responsible chem) as vapes? And nobody has EVER gotten popcorn lung from vaping NOR cigarettes? That’s because it requires the powdered form to enter your lungs and settle like asbestos/mesothelioma, which has ONLY been observed in one popcorn factory that didn’t use respirators.

Idk about this one

Did I really have to tap the sign for the fifteenth time? I ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED THE COVID VACCINE IS THE BEST THING JESUS EVER MADE EVER, BUT “JUST TRUST ME BRO” AS A RULE ISN’T ALWAYS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION. Literally fifteen different times I’ve clarified this now.

Ffs.

Eleventh time repeating myself, you’re really too dense for conversation.

Uhhh, “nuh uh?” Could be your VPN, unless they recently started blocking them all. Could just be whatever server you were on at the time.

And I mean yeah it is a shitty platform lol, that’s for sure.

Edit: So I can’t actually load imgur itself with my VPN, but I can see content hosted there and posted elsewhere (namely here.) Odd…

Tenth time repeating myself gonna do it? Will you finally understand that I’m talking about the attitude of “just trusting people in general,” not specifically the best vaccine ever that was made by Christ himself which of course we all love and take one every day.

The fact that you’re physically incapable of divorcing the two concepts is frankly not my fault.

There is a point where the collective scientific community at large has consensus on a topic

Yes yes and scientists have never been collectively wrong about anything and “the science” has never changed based on new information, they’re always right even when they’re wrong.

You’re hopeless, just keep trusting, drive the cybertruck, take the oxycontin, lick the radium paintbrushes, you’ll be fine, trust me bro.

On that we can agree. Have fun trusting everyone blindly.

Jesus fucking Christ. Pulling goddamn teeth.

Bro what the fuck are you talking about

I’ve only said it eight times already, will the ninth really make the difference? I’m sorry dude I just don’t think you have the capacity, if you can’t figure out “what the fuck I’m talking about” from the thirty comments I’ve left in this thread already then this is a lost cause, if you do end up deciphering the cryptex then get back to me ig, or don’t who cares.

Good, glad you came around. Nice talk champ.

so we agree that vaccine hesitancy is figuratively cherry picking

Nonononononono, don’t hesitate on the vaccine, take Pfizer, J&J, and Moderna, take extras, sneak back in line and boof more, those were all created by Jesus Christ himself and questioning them is a sin, I want to be VERY clear that I’m not questioning the infallible Big Pharma industry who has never made any mistakes nor have they done anything malicious like Floridian pill farms.

But everything ELSE:

if people are paranoid and distrustful across the board

Smart. Ftfy.

They can poison your food, or sell substandard/filler/replacement goods, and you do not check

Exactly, mine was caught selling expired meat, like, replacing the date. Unfortunately, however, The Breatharians aren’t right, no matter how bad our food supply is we don’t only need sun on our assholes for sustenance (despite whether or not they claim to be experts themselves), we have to eat the poison. Or exclusively hunt, I guess, but that isn’t feasible at scale, sure I can but if we all do deer will be extinct within a year or five.

They have keys to your house that you trust them to not use, and you might have an alarm system that makes this a moot point and you actually don’t trust them

Tbf I own my house, no landlord. BUT before when I rented I never trusted them. “They have keys” that they use all the time, they own the place, I can only stop them insofar as they legally have to give notice, I can’t say “no” to that. Tbh idt you can legally install an alarm system in a place you don’t own without the owner’s consent either, but yeah, who the fuck trusts a landlord?! You’re crazy for that one.

You don’t test your water, you trust that it’s within acceptable limits

You assume I do, that has no bearing on whether or not I actually do. Divorce you from everyone else, wearenotthesame.jpg. The issue is if I don’t drink water every three days I’ll die, maybe I can make it to 7 before the kidneys fail and I seize to death but the damage is done. Since you cannot divorce the concept of trust and the covid vaccine, I’ve had covid multiple times and lived, like, at home chillin watching spongebob. But the time I was severely dehydrated with heat exhaustion I actually almost died and had to get IV liquids (not a Liquid IV™), so no “you trust the water bro” is neither true nor “good enough,” despite whether or not I have to drink water. Though now I’m gonna search and see if there’s a better test than pH I can run to see if there’s like lead or something like that, now that you mention it that probably exists.

There is a level of trust that you do display.

(X) to Doubt.

Is it because you don’t think about these things,

If so, yes.

and you actually would do those tests if you knew what and how to test for

*Dancesafe Elrich Test in my fridge* “Yeah.”

You know that there are consequences for the grocery clerk, landlord, municipal worker for abusing their position, profession, etc.

FUCKING LOL! Yeah if they get caught haha. And even then, you “trust” the Law Enforcement “experts” in the US? “Consequences? Where’s that, New Mexico?” (That’s a better joke than you may get, I’m referencing Truth and Consequences, NM).

I want you to tell me how the Pharma academics and industry are afforded any different level of trust to the engineering, agricultural, residential etc design and supply chains, the crux of my argument is that there is

They’re no different. Does that make you happy? Good. Problem is you can’t trust ANY of those industries. Pharma? Really? The opioid epidemic who? JFC why would you trust the Sackler’s industry? “Academics” is too broad, I can’t sit here and pick apart literally every subject, I have the material but not the time, I have to work in the morning (at a place where I’m an expert and I’ve never made a mistake, trust me bro), Industry, yes, notoriously trustworthy, “yes radium is safe to lick, do you want your $0.13 an hour? Then shut the fuck up Mary.” Do I really have to continue?

Ffs my dude, know what? Yes. Just trust the experts, lick the radium, drive the cybertruck, take the oxycontin, you’ll be fine.

May I remind you that I’m responding to:

You don’t need to become a scientist, just trust the good ones.

As a concept in particular. That is very much “trust me bro.”

I’m not sure what studies in particular say “you should trust ‘experts’ unquestioningly bro,” so I have a sneaking suspicion you’re referring to the thing I said I wasn’t talking about specifically EIGHT TIMES NOW. Sorry I had to get loud, but it seems nobody can hear around here.

Now, accepting that this vaccine was created in a joint effort by Jesus, Muhammed, and YHWH, OF COURSE it is unquestionable. HOWEVER: Everything ELSE in life, you can’t necessarily trust the experts LIKE YOU CAN ON THE HOLY ROMAN COVID VACCINE!! LOOK EVERYONE I’M SAYING IT’S THE BEST EVER, IT’S DELICIOUS I’M EATING ONE RIGHT NOW!!NN!!N

Hopefully I’ve signaled my unquestioning loyalty on THIS TOPIC well enough to make you realize other things exist? Have I bowed enough that we can have an actual conversation now?

my mechanic has spent time educating me, being transparent, and given me cost/benefit opinion; the medical researchers have gained degrees from credible orgs, peer review has not discredited the methodology, research is replicable etc

All of that isn’t “trusting them bro,” and still, they can be wrong even with all that.

You trust people implicitly,

You trust people implicitly.

your grocer,

Is trying to rip me off the most they can, they’ve been caught doing shady shit in the past, they’re “my grocer” because they’re closest to my house.

landlord,

I think you’re the only one on this entire fedi trusting landlords lmao. Nice to meet the one.

water supply,

I mean, I’m curious, who knows if I’m in the next Flint Mi. They trusted it too.

There are thousands of ways that the people you rely on every day could maim or outright kill you.

And one day all the microplastics they’re putting in my balls will finish the job. Matter of time.

Applying this level of mistrust to a shot you get every 6 months and not the things you imbibe and tolerate every day is not logically consistent.

You’re really married to this “forcing the covid issue” thing huh? I already said you can trust all the literal gods that made the vaccine they’ve been venerated by Christ yadda yadda who cares, is this my sixth time saying that? I can repeat myself a seventh time but honestly if it hasn’t sunk in yet I don’t think it’s going to.

But in any case “you don’t want a flu shot? Why don’t you quit eating then?”

Ok you got me, feel better sport?

No my point is, I’m trusting him when I’m not watching too.

Well good for you, but that doesn’t mean he’s necessarily actually trustworthy, without knowing either of you, you could be a total sucker and he could be a good conman. “While I was down there I noticed your struts…” Struts were fine, he noticed you wouldn’t question him saying they needed to be replaced.

We can extrapolate from the existing body of work of these scientists, we demonstrably can trust them bro.

Ok here’s something you can really trust me bro on, for the fourth or fifth time, I’m not talking specifically about The Holy Vaccine, I’m speaking of the concept of trusting bros as a whole.

Peer review existing at all is an example of not “trusting them bro” btw.

If you’re unable to discuss the topic of why or why not you should or should not “just trust” people regardless of expertise divorced from one specific thing, then I don’t think there’s a point to continuing this, we’ll have to agree to disagree not talk about the same thing. Your focus is so narrow, is The Covid Vaccine™ the only thing that exists to you or is reality larger?

I watched him do it

Then you verified that, you’re not just trusting that he did.

Sure you can trust these scientists, again that isn’t what I’m talking about.

The Tuskegee Experiments had more than one mad scientist in the room too, “just trust me bro” isn’t a good enough answer for anything, just trust me bro.

But it is

For some.

Do you trust the food you eat?

No, it’s all full of microplastics and chemicals and Monsanto scientific horrors. I still have to eat, but I know it’s killing me slowly. You shouldn’t trust that any more than your scammy mechanic.

If you take any medications at all, you must trust in some part the whole supply chain.

Yeah medications never have unintended side effects that come out years later, and nobody has ever put potassium cyanide in Aspirin bottles, great example.

If you drive a car, especially a new model, you trust the designers, engineers, and QA to make something that won’t kill you

Yeah like a Tesla, huh? New as hell, burning people alive in crashes. Recalls happen all the time, and often don’t when they should, you’re sure there won’t be one for yours?

Do you fly?

Hell no.

Do you enter your banking or financial info into any computer?

Very limited, never stored, one device I don’t do anything sketchy on. Usually I just go to the bank, like, the building.

Even people who aren’t lying to you may be wrong, it can happen at any level of knowledge or expertise.

And just to remind you, I’m not talking about “vaccines,” I’m talking about “just trust me bro” w.r.t most things.

So… I am supposed to know not to trust the covid vaccine and also blind trust is good?

Is that what you mean by backwards?

Cause I said “I don’t necessarily think [skepticism] is the best course of action regarding this current topic which is the covid vaccine, but blindly trusting people regardless of expertise isn’t always the best thing to do.”

“Backwards” of that would be… y’know… trust everyone except this vaccine… so… ?

Care to elaborate?

Edit: OH did you mean like this?

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Idk about this one but y’know “just trust me bro” honestly shouldn’t be our SOP on a daily basis.

Not that I’m on dude’s side or anything, but:

Trusting our Government Issued™ scientists implicitly is how we got The Tuskegee Experiments, sometimes a little healthy skepticism isn’t a bad thing. Idk about this one but y’know “just trust me bro” honestly shouldn’t be our SOP on a daily basis.

You also shouldn’t trust your mechanic implicitly, they’ve (as a profession) been known to upsell on things you don’t need to get more of your money because they know you don’t know anything and they can get away with it.