Hey a lot of Americans hate America because of Trump, too.
I’d also say most of the world hates America because of Trump. He’s a global parasite.
I hated America before it was cool to hate America.
The fact that we (allied democracies) can’t trust USA anymore became clear to me under George W. Bush first term as President.
So I’d say about 21 years ago.I’d like to say the same, but it’s been cool to hate America longer than I’ve been alive where I’m from.
It’s been cool to hate America as long as I’ve been alive too, in America.
It did get less cool around 9/11, but I nave stopped hate my it here. All the flags on trucks after that only made it worse.
I am starting to hate it because of America’s tepid reaction to Trump
I’m Canuck.
I don’t hate USians…
( ALL people who are citizens of the Americas, South, Central, OR North, are Americas citizens, aka Americans. )
I hate both the national-narcissism which eventually blossoms inyo totalitarianism/cults, including the MAGA-cult,
& the abomination-methods of the MAGA-cult, the zionism-cult, the christofascism-cult, the islamism-cult, the manosphere-cult, the confucian-supremacism-cult, the various ideological-cults, the Physicalist-Matetialist-Existentialist Scientism cult which disallows all evidence falsifying it ( as Rupert Sheldrake has pointed-out there are multiple experiments which falsify that ideology/religion, but the evidence is simply ignored/denied, axiomatically ), etc.
Bernie Sanders, AOC, Mamdani ( & his Mom the documentary-director who made him become who he is, from what i’ve read ), & Snowden,
… ALL deserve The Order of Canada ( or whatever our highest-honour is ), for their loyal & upright representing of grass-roots people of their-own country!
That work of theirs makes our world better,
& Canada, being in our world, benefits from all such upright good work, everywhere.
Beauty, eh?
Salut, Namaste, & Kaizen.
🙏
Yeah, same here honestly
Murican here. If we’re going to learn from our fuck around phase, the find out phase needs to hurt.
Like an alcoholic waking up to a hangover from hell and vowing to never let that happen again, that hangover could be the best thing that’s ever happened to the addict.
The more our president throws his tantrums, the more we should be shunned, isolated, and ignored by the rest of the planet. Politically and financially.
To the non-muricans here, sorry for being such a shitty neighbor. I look forward to earning back your respect - hopefully that day comes soon, but I’m not holding my breath.
How can there be there earning back respect? The US is a two party system, so even if there’s a good president a few years later the next bozo comes around drives things back to shit again.
Trump has managed to terminally damage transatlantic relationships, this will result in a new world order in the long run. Over here in the EU thinking about sovereignty is suddenly a thing, getting independent of others.
There can be trade with the US in the future, but no trust anymore. Interestingly the long term view is viewing the US a lot like China, someone whom you cooperate with economically but do not trust on a political level.
Of course a less shitty period in governance would ease things a bit over, but there’s no way the next guy like Trump will grab power in 10 years or so. The American political system is built in a way that it just flip-flops between the big parties. IMO the population and elections are just a minor side function of this.
As fucked up as out system is over here, I’m fucking happy we have a parliament and not “winner takes it all”. At least it feels a bit like voters have a bit of influence.
How can there be earning back respect?
Major political reform, modelled after the more functional parts of the world. Emphasis on a rewrite of the Constitution with protections built in against domestic enemies like Trump. And functional checks and balances. And cultural denazification.
I don’t really see it happening either.
It’s not just Trump. It’s the Tea Party and Bush, too. We’ve spent the last quarter century looking over our shoulder waiting for the next catastrophe that Americans will cause and we’re sick of it.
Over 70% of the country wants him gone, but from an outsider’s perspective, all they see is the fact that we voted him in.
It’s going to take a very long time to undo the damage caused by Trump. Nobody is ever going to trust the United States again, unless we put safeguards in place to ensure that someone like him can never gain this level of unchecked power ever again. And I just don’t see that happening in any of our lifetimes.
You’ll never undo it. America’s pre-Trump position in the world was due to the fact that it was the only major power left standing after World War II. After the rest of the world rebuilt itself America was entrenched enough to maintain its position through inertia. When that inertia’s gone, it won’t come back.
Honestly I’m sick of American arrogance too, the American empire should balkanize and die
Are you also rooting for Alberta’s secession?
Nope
I’m sure that there is plenty of arrogance from Idaho to Georgia… the electoral college has given way too much of a voice for the flyover states even though they are the minority. I can guarantee you that the coastal communities in the States hate what our country has become as much as you Canucks do. Western Washington/Oregon/California have hated the maga movement from the beginning, unfortunately billionaires use it to pocket tax dollars left and right, and the simps in purple states are down for the billionaire cause despite the fact that they will spend hundreds of millions of dollars to elect officials who are against a universal healthcare bill.
Yeah, well said. I still think that America should balkanize. I’m American
I wish it was that easy. California would instantly be a top 5 GDP country and could enforce its own taxes on states and corporations outside of California for every resource we have… instead we’re stuck under this shithead president that thinks tariffs are a means of stimulating the economy. The guy is a fucking idiot and most of uUS are anticipating the day he no longer breathes the same air we do.
Hey Canada, a lot of Americans are right there with you.
Cool. So do something about it.
Could say sorry, but that won’t cut it. I just hope you see there are people here in the us that want all of maga leadership and billionaires to be dead and reject them. We just can’t convince others. It has to be in thier face because a huge chunk are in auto pilot. I will keep fighting, however I can.
Americans also hate America thanks to Trump.
Many Americans do, too.
As a Canadian, it’s Trump
…AND his supporters
…AND you can throw in Christofascists
…AND Christian fundamentalists.
So since Westboro for me, personally.
I dont think most americans know whats happening. It’ll be way too late when they wake up
I’ve been wondering this myself.
I’m some sort of weirdo who likes solar panels and EV’s and thinks people should be allowed to be people no matter the color of their skin or the plumbing in their pants, which makes me some sort of commie hippie freak because I live in rural Oklahoma.
And there seems to be a lot of effort aimed at keeping people in this deep red state unaware of all that is happening, although gas prices are higher than normal here (I saw $3.79/gal this morning I think) amd groceries are getting expensive. But none of this is really mentioned. As far as the local news is concerned, there is no war in Iran, Trump has everything handled, and all is well. And a great many people here, especially old people, believe it all because that is all they see.
It’s no excuse.
I think you over estimate Americans giving a crap.
They’ll give a crap when it affects them personally.
You hate the same people we hate, Canada. Those people are broken, ignorant assholes before they are Americans. Their bullshit ruins the world for all of us.
So like, do something about it maybe?
Really quick, list what you think civilized, nonmilitary, individual folks with families should do against a 50 year systemic plan, funded with trillions and led by literal psychopaths fixed on destabilizing democracy to rebuild a fascist autocracy in their own image? Every day is a real internal struggle of what to do next. Many of us have spent decades opposing in every way typical folks can, bleeding, arrest, life threatening opposition face to face with swat teams as unarmed, untrained every day people.
Your response is not helpful. It trivializes one of the largest issues in the history of civilation with no clear solution ahead.
The point of my response is that WE are not opposed, so don’t try to make the good folks into opponents. Grow up, see the bigger picture and support. Offer solutions and plan on what your personal line will be when this all finds it’s way to you.
Really quick
A national peaceful shutdown.
Unfortunately you’ve already prefaced the standard excuse, one which wouldn’t exist had enough people gone out to vote when needed. Any argument against that is disproven by the results Republican voters get in all elections around the country and what Mamdani did in its biggest city.
They’re not trivialising any response at all…the fact is, it’s American citizens that have to do something about it, one way or the other. The easiest solution is to vote. The next easiest now is peaceful shutdown.
There’s two solutions. They’ve dropped the ball on one, repeatedly. Now it’s time for the other. It’s not our job to help either; they elected him democratically, we can’t and they told us to keep our nose out of it before 2016.
Sooner or later the good folks need to unite, step up and do something. Yes, it’ll involve hardship, for many. Yes, it’s easy for us to say but we’d do something about this if and when it comes to us. This is why voting is important. But we are under no obligation to separate good Americans from bad ones in this…it’s a collective responsibility as far as outsiders are concerned.
We have grown up…it’s the US that needs to grow up and their people take their national duty seriously. As a collective.
It’s already finding our way to us, thanks to the US. They’re already inundating us with their incessant political garbage, brought to us by their conservative PACs. I note Americans are quick to call that our problem as well, on top of asking for asylum.
All this is why we are sick to death of them and their shit.
The US has utilized systemic racism to train it’s population from childhood to hate and fear each other. We aren’t able to work together because we have been programmed not to.
So, how would I organize a general strike with fascists who believe the current process is great, or are in such a compromised position (by design) that striking could literally kill them?
Your advice is like telling someone who is homeless to get a job.
Based on your argument, it’s not your job to do anything. Agreed. Hate and don’t support the US… That might help change opinions. If you want us to continue to resist… Yeah, plenty of people do and have. But telling people to essentially kill themselves because “it’s the right thing to do” is kinda some bullshit. About 40% of our nations population are hateful fascists. This is an issue that has built up over generations. Its going to take a lot more thank just trying to organize a general strike to fix it.
dO sOmEtHiNg
WhErE aRe ThE sEcOnD aMeNdMeNt PeOpLe!!?one
It’s fucking up your world too, and you’re a border away. We’re not for the same reason you’re not.
Thats the dumbest argument Ive seen in a while. Its your country, not mine. Canada is not doing enough but at least we’re trying to economically distance ourselves. Its not our job to fix your shit. Thats some victim blaming shit right there.
You guys on the other hand are just letting your government trample on you.
As per my point, this is why Canadians dont respect Americans. You guys complain and do nothing.
Also the fact that you immediately go to ‘we cant shoot them so what do you want us to do?’ is the most American dumbfuck response.
Yeah they’re lashing out.
They want someone, anyone, other than themselves taking care of it so they can Netflix and chill. That’s why straight up, they refer to the problems their PACs are bringing to our countries, and what we are doing about that.
These are people who think electing Trump should qualify them asylum in other countries and they get very nasty when that is argued down.
They will avoid whatever responsibility they can and push that onto others.
Yeah let me go get myself shot and leave my family with no means of support because some armchair badass on the internet said I’m chicken and they totally would have kicked Trump’s ass if it had happened there
Sooner or later they will have to do something as a collective or some will just get dragged out of their own homes and shot anyway. Isn’t that actually happening?
Never once did I say you were a chicken so stop making shit up and stop making it about one person.
What I would be doing if I was American would be voting every single election I could, participating in any protests I can, writing to the progressive reps who are the only ones likely to listen and linking up with like any minded people at the protests and elsewhere that I can. That’s what you can do and if enough did, you’d probably have enough to pull off a national shutdown. There’s people out there trying to string something together and you can find them if you look.
Here’s some facts on it though: they elected Trump (twice) democratically, so we can’t help. They told us to mind our own business across several platforms before 2016, now they expect us not just to help out or even take care of the entire thing, but to welcome them with open arms in asylum from…an elected government. The increased problems with right wing lunacy we’re suffering are brought to us and financially backed by their political scene. They are where they are because of years of neglecting the vote and that includes institutionalising the oppressive systems they now deal with. They cannot use the 2nd Amendment, the thing they used to remind us for years how oppressed we were when they weren’t, to get out of it. The excuses they expect us to accept for it, they don’t offer other nations. They, like Churchill said, will take every other option but the correct one until they’re left with no option.
You got no alternative anyway outside of pure luck. You’ll either have to or there’ll be authorities dragging you out of your houses anyway. We’ve seen how it ends. The sooner you all get together and do it the easier it’ll be.
I’ve done all of the things that you said you would be doing, as have many of us (many more than voted for Trump). Our election system is broken. Not seeming to understand that comes off as victim-blaming. That’s why we’re defensive about the “dO sOmEtHiNg” posts. WE FUCKING DID.
By “no confidence” we mean no trust. When our closest ally declares economic warfare through tariffs, threatens annexation, and blackmails the opening an international bridge, there is no trust left. Canadians are smart enough to know this won’t end after Trump is gone. It will take decades to reverse. We will develop stronger relationships with other countries, something that we should have done earlier anyway. The U.S.A. can burn their own house down - we don’t care. Just don’t try to burn ours with it.
Thx Obama.
Obama had the power to nationalize the banks and arrest the people who engineered the crisis. But instead let them go.
Yeah, this unfortunately. Barack Obama is a f*CKING disappointment
Somewhat. I don’t think he’s a COMPLETE disappointment. I mean he did kill Bin Laden and, while it was a pale shadow of what it could have been, he did oversee the most comprehensive reform to health insurance seen in at least a generation. Before him? You were fucked if you had ANY preexisting condition whatsoever.
He delivered a captured market to the most evil people in the world, STARTED the drone kill list, extra judicially killed at least one American,expanded FISA, obliterated however many fucking wedding parties and shit.
And idk if you’ve noticed, but the healthcare system in amerikkka has all but stopped functioning. We pay premiums and cannot get appointments.
Delusional obama fluff nonsense.
Well to* be fair, Obama only had control of both the senate and the house for his first 72 days. Enough time to get some things done, but not a lot.
But I agree that he could have done more with the power he did hold throughout his presidency, as Trump has shown. Obama could have went buckwild with the executive orders. But alas, hindsight is 20:20.
Yeah, that’s why Barack Obama is a disappointment
I know but the point I’m making is that it’s not his fault. I mean the guy basically campaigned on being a centrist.
Not a single country on Earth that likes the US. Only the US claims to like the US, and even then it’s more propaganda fuel than anything.
except israel and russia, which only it is convenient currently.
Yea, it’s not just Canadians. Everybody hates the US.
I understand why the Taliban were so miffed now.
One thing that’s really frustrating is that in other countries where democracy is in danger you see huge protests in the streets.
That gives the distinct impression that even if the average American doesn’t support what Trump is doing, they don’t really oppose it enough to bother shutting down the country.
I ask myself for quite some time now: where are Americas young people? In most countries, if something goes as wrong as in America at the moment, the first who respond with protests are the students. Just check out India. But in the US there are only a few local protest about the middle east. No mass protests, not even discussions as far as I can tell. Why is that?
America is an experiment in how far you can push individualism. Collective action, unions and the like are suppressed compared to other countries. They’ll have to relearn that individual responsibility has limits and collective action is still important.
I think there are two main reasons. The first is that things simply haven’t gotten bad enough. It’s true, there is a health care crisis killing tens of thousands a year, rampant human rights violations in ICE concentration camps, brazen corruption in the administration, etc. But for most of the uneducated and uninformed middle class, these things don’t directly affect their daily lives.
The second reason is that the mass indoctrination campaign concerning American exceptionalism has been immensely successful. So while many Americans agree some things could be improved, they are unsure of what those things are because they also still believe the US is one of the best places in the world to live, even as the US has steadily tumbled down the quality-of-life rankings and now arguably ranks below the likes of Estonia and Slovenia. The belief in exceptionalism has fostered a rather meek and servile attitude towards the government.
And that’s why American exceptionalism and any other kind of national exceptionalism needs to die
It will take a economic depression, mass unemployment, civil unrest, oil prices going to the moon, civil war, hyperinflation and mass famine to kill American exceptionalism
Why is that? Because you’re completely in the dark. Either your media don’t report, you don’t bother to research, you’re an idiot, or all 3.
When 8 million Americans protest nationwide in our largest ever protest, and you completely ignore it, I ask myself for quite some time: where is our international solidarity partners? All they do is spread falsehoods about lack of protest here while looking down on us.
Jesus dude, why so hostile? There’s nothing inherently wrong with not knowing enough about something.
where is our international solidarity partners?
Solidarity with the nation currently being aggressive toward various instances of its “allied” countries? I can’t see how it’s reasonable to expect any one citizen of those countries to give any amount of support to the nation currently threatening their home’s stability. There’s no practical reason to do anything more than reduce its interactions with said country for the sake of its own citizens’ livelihoods. Global relations are a matter of give and take, and right now all the US is doing is taking.
Solidarity with the nation currently
No! Solidarity with us - Americans who couldn’t agree more with your assessment of that government and are grieving their democracy. Do we get even symbolic support? Nope. We get accused of not protesting when we are.
And if you think he was simply ignorant, you need to read his follow up reply to me.
Our society has been designed so that taking even an hour off to vote or protest means no food on the table.
Could that with the critical mass who don’t give a shit and, well, yeah, no movement.
General strike just cannot happen because of that, so violent revolution is the only next step but even that is unlikely.
We did have huge protests in multiple cities. I’m not sure why you expect them to result in immediate change when that typically takes years to happen. Hungary was under Orban for almost 20 years and they didn’t even force him out with a protest. Serbia hasn’t changed. Slovakia hasn’t changed. The list goes on.
It doesn’t happen overnight or over a week. You’re basically demanding that we overthrow the government because we didn’t like the election results and it shouldn’t be surprising that people aren’t ready to do that. It takes a lot more than what Trump’s done to get people to that point.
We did have huge protests in multiple cities
Once? Many months ago?
That’s why I specifically talked about shutting things down.
You’re basically demanding that we overthrow the government because we didn’t like the election results
No, I’m demanding that you prove that democracy matters to you by shutting things down until you get your democracy back.
There were hundreds of protests this year and just year, it wasn’t once. If you’re just going to lie about reality then I’m not going to engage with you, because I guarantee you wouldn’t apply this same ridiculous standard to your own country. Especially considering Canada was ready to elect their own racist fascists until Trump ran his mouth.
Get our democracy back? My state just had an election and we have full Dem control of our government. States run our elections, not Trump. But you’re telling me it’s gone? The doomer shit is just delusional.
Not surprising at all. Look at how many convinced themselves to stay home the one time they couldve prevented this shitstorm.
And those non-voters are still patting each other’s backs.
8 million Americans protested at over 3,300 No Kings events nationwide on Saturday March 28, the largest single-day protest in American history. Source
I know the only goal here is to shit on the US but there are plenty of ways to do that on legitimate points without making up absolute bullshit, so please eat a nice fat American dick with this nonsense.
One protest, 4 months ago.
Yeah, that’s definitely going to defeat fascism.
Oh we’re up from zero to one, I see. The largest in American history, and no it has not been the only one. Your response is pathetic. Doubling down where you have been shown to be wrong. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Wow, you’re so emotional. One protest on one day. Meanwhile, in Hong Kong their protests were an ongoing thing for more than a year until they were interrupted by the COVID pandemic. The German anti-AFD protests started in January 2024 and are still ongoing, more than 2.5 years later.
You haven’t “shown me to be wrong”, you’ve misinterpreted what I said and then got all butthurt. The rest of the world doesn’t respect the US because the US protests were one and done, and didn’t actually change anything.
