Not even, I fear - Matcha Latte is tea.

Well then, come, let us touch grass together.

Pretty sure I’ve commented this on Lemmy before, but I’m gonna drop a link to this Struthless video again because I think it’s pretty good at getting the point and really reflected my experience as someone who was once a “young man on the internet”, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHHqQDKzjTg

Sorta fun related fact, in the original text Death is actually the only one who has a name at all, the rest have just been inferred based on historical context.

See section “the Pale Horse”

OK I had a great weekend not thinking about this thread (Yes I know it’s not been the weekend for a couple of days now, it was extended), so I’m going to write one more message on this and then just leave it as is. My main issue is that you straight up said the upgradeability is a scam. It’s clear from this thread you’ve never worked in repair or had to upgrade a consumer-grade laptop from the last 10 years - which is fine but you shouldn’t go throwing around such harsh phrases as “scam” for it. Framework has a legitimately good product that could feasibly be the last laptop you ever buy - for example, their most recent refresh of the Framework 13 mainboard will work in the original chassis, despite numerous design revisions over the last 5 years. Very few other devices in the space, even those designed to be upgraded, can be brought up to the newest version with just a mainboard replacement (this is one of my biggest issues with FairPhone, but that’s not really related to the topic at hand). Similarly, the new 12" is more easily upgraded than ever with the swap to pogo pins on the keyboard rather than a ribbon cable for the keyboard. I truly think I could give my mother a Framework and she would be able to keep it up-to-date without any input from the members of my family who have repair experience.

On this topic:

Offtopic, we are discussing linux laptops

The Asahi Linux project is nothing to sneeze at, and some of the most competent Linux users I know are on either an Intel or M-whatever Mac. Being an Apple device does not exclude it from being a Linux laptop, though I would never personally recommend them to a user, new or old.

On this because I forgot to address it:

I hope my suggestion of KFocus IR16 is not discounted because of my opinions on framework

It does look like a good laptop, and I think you should have separated your comments out because now your actually pretty decent recommendation is going to be buried because it was paired with an unrelated and fairly ignorant take.

nine phillips screws…

Credit where credit is due, I would have like phillips, but I do also understand the use case for torx on the Framework (plus it comes with a screwdriver, which fixes the main “who has a torx driver?” issue with torx). Either way, I’m not looking to discount the potential reparability or upgradeability of the IR16, I don’t have one and can’t weigh in there, If your position had been “This laptop manages to actually be more upgradeable than the Framework, whilst also being built for Linux first”, there would be no problem there (provided you could back that claim up), but outright calling it a scam? Come on man…

Long and short, no, I would not call the upgradeability of the Framework a “marketing scam”. Thus far, a Framework laptop 13 built the day they released 5 years ago could be not only continually used and repaired for those 5 years, but also brought up-to-date with the latest hardware with relatively little user effort in comparison to similarly sized and spec’d consumer laptops, and without needing to buy a whole new device - you can just “ship of Theseus” the thing. Note that when I say “hardware”, I don’t just mean the fun buzzword-y hardware like CPU and RAM, but also things like keyboards, speakers, the screen, the charger/cable, and other similar components that a user is less likely to think about wanting to improve at the time of purchase, but would otherwise be hurting for newer versions of 5+ years down the line.

so all the normal stuff that’s normally upgradable

That’s just the thing, though. Soldered RAM and even drives is becoming more and more common these days, especially in the Apple space. But, the main thing here is user replaceable. I don’t know when you last swapped the RAM on a laptop, but on most consumer laptops these days it is a nightmare. With Framework, it’s 5 screws (the driver for which is included in the box, but also just standard torx) and you’re in, and they have a QR code to a guide on how to do the replacement for first timers. I know it can be hard to take if you’re used to pulling apart computers for fun, I come from there too, but the easy user upgradeability is seriously, literally, actually a great selling point on the Framework.

Also, the case, screen, trackpad, etc that get all the wear and tear are just as easily replaced if that’s your hang up.

replacing the entire guts

That’s not how it works at all though… What? The RAM and SSD are individually replaceable, and the screen, speaker system, and chassis all have individual upgrades that have been released with time too (for the 13, at least). The only “replacing the entire guts” you would do is if you replaced the mainboard for a CPU upgrade, and even then that’s just the mainboard, not the RAM, SSD, etc., which is pretty on-par with, say, a desktop anyway as often a meaningful CPU upgrade will include switching to a newer platform and therefore a new motherboard.

Not saying the Framework has no issues at all whatsoever, but that’s sure not one of them.

Zorin is a good shout, but it’s definitely not “trending”, it’s been a staple recommendation for over 5 years now.

Kinda sorta not really? The NixOS config allows you to configure GRUB, too, and doing it like that is pretty safe - plus you can boot into an older iteration and fix your mistakes via the GRUB fallback prompt if need be AFAIK.

Kagi Small Web, personally. Also a lot of people who blog on the Fediverse have RSS feeds, so discovery via Mastodon and such is good too.

Yeah dog, we have flow, yeah dog, this is high kick nice

It says on the page that

As we’re committed not to add paywalls, this purchase will not grant you any additional features in Immich. We rely on users like you to support Immich’s ongoing development.

So this is a purchase which grants you no extra bonus, which is functionally a donation. This is a common practice with software supported by Futo - they offer the software for free, but ask that you pay a good-faith “license fee” for the software anyway to help fund development. I think Louis Rossman has a video about it somewhere, if I remember I’ll link it in an edit when I have time to find it later.

Were she not a great actress, she could have a promising career as a home-visit aged-care nurse.

The only valid reason to say “those union clowns” I suppose

It takes me 10 minutes to do anything when I first wake up in the morning, coffee or no, to be fair. I’m not a morning person. I also manually grind my beans (using one of those older hopper-and-box grinders), and do a V60 pourover with water slightly cooler than boiling (somewhere between 80-90°C, based off vibes I don’t have a temperature controlled kettle).

Or at least, I did, before I switched to a machine. Still do the V60 later in the day, tho, it’s a nice little ritual.

Yeah, that’s absolutely fair enough to be honest. I’m the kind of guy that likes to sleep in as much as possible and take my mornings real slow, so cutting off the extra 10 minutes that it used to take me to make coffee… sweet. My partners’ family’s fridge has a clock in it though, and I’ll never understand that. I think coffee machine is where I draw the line.

The stove I don’t get, but the coffee machine needs it so that you can set it to run 5 minutes before your alarm goes off in the morning. Getting a coffee machine with a timer recently has revolutionized my morning TBH.

And even then with nixos-rebuild switch you won’t really notice that you’re “rebuilding” anything

I don’t see any racist comments at all… A bit confused tbh, there’s just you and the other person explaining that LibreSSL seems abandoned.

Edit: The comments on Phoronix, now I get it

The Laws of Thermodynamics say you will always lose some energy to heat when energy is used to affect a change. I have to imagine this would be particularly so when energy is converted to matter since that’s very involved, but I’m not a physicist so I can’t confirm that.

Come to think of it, this means that industrial replication plants and shipyards would likely be incredibly hot places, due to the inevitable loss to heat in replicating massive components.