only frame that matters i spose
Well, I can say that watching 9/11 live on TV desensitized me to this.
Ill be honest though, that is not the angle I would have expected the plane to crash at.
This video is oddly less graphic. It’s so fast and absurd that the horror doesn’t really come with it.
It looks like missile footage, except with a slow explosive with fire rather than a fast explosive with shockwave.
This particular video looks like it destroys the white car, but other angles of the aftermath show that the white car was a bit behind the explosion and that driver was OK but understandably shaken up.
The reason it’s at such a high pitch is that it experienced heavy icing, which killed the wings ability to generate lift. Once it started falling, it oriented itself in the direction with the least drag, forward.
They went from tolerable light icing to falling out of the sky in less than 3 minutes. Ice is very scary.
What prevents this icing from happening most of the time?
Anti icing equipment built into the plane. That’s accomplished via a few different methods. An important distinction is that deicing is removing ice that has already formed, where as anti-ice prevents new ice formation. Most deicing options are only able on the ground, so it’s important to have anti ice up and running before major accumulations occur.
- Hot air from within the engine (bleed air) is piped to areas needing heat. This is used a lot for wing leading edges.
- Resistive electrical heating - essentially a space heater. Used for smaller components like pitot tubes and fed by the engine’s generator.
- Mechanical removal via deicing boot. Essentially an expandable section of wing that breaks up already formed ice. Not super common.
- Chemical melting done via alcohol spray for windscreens or deice spray for the outer skin. Pretty straightforward.
- Altitude change. Moving to warmer, dryer air layers can work to melt built up ice, or prevent new ice formation, respectively. Flying high can also help, since the low air pressure allows ice to sublimate.
- Avoiding flying into icing conditions. This one seems kind of obvious, but it’s worth saying.
According to the ATC recordings, the FO reported that they were using their anti ice. Unfortunately, anti ice can only handle so much, and it seems like they may have ended up in conditions that overwhelmed their ability to prevent it. They tried to go to a higher altitude to escape the icing, but it obviously came too late. Ultimately, that’ll be for the NTSB to decide what the root causes were. Hopefully the FDR survived by some miracle.
Just a little correction, 4 is physical and not chemical.
Is it? It’s melting via freezing point depression rather than heating, which I thought made it a chemical process rather than a physical one.
There is no reaction, the freezing point depression is one of the colligative properties.
Ooo that looks like it’ll be a good wikipedia article to read. Thanks for the info, sorry someone else downvoted you.
Oi, you can’t park that there mate
Explain to me how that plane was traveling at Mach 39.1 ?
It wasn’t. IIRC, it was descending at 30,000 feet per minute at its peak and was maybe coming close to Mach 1 at impact.
I also understand there’s some deeply NSFL audio floating around, but I haven’t listened and don’t intend to.
The audio is a bit rough, especially if you haven’t heard any emergency calls or ATC traffic before but not really any more distressing than watching a loaded plane slam into the ground. Which doesn’t even have a NSFW tag
Its a small mistake but still: its 30.000 feet per minute, not second
30.000 feet per second is about 10km/sec which is closer to speeds of meteors crashing into the earth. At those speeds, that plane crash would have had enough energy to likely wiped out the entirety of Miami.
at that speed, the plane would have been completely vaporized just from the atmospheric friction alone.
Pilot made a small mistake too
From what I’ve read their plane started breaking apart which is what caused the crash
Then again, the full investigation isn’t over yet so we’ll see
I don’t know the details, just making a joke based on the other comment.
Honestly, i felt the audio wasn’t as bad as so many people are claiming it to be. Like yes its bad, but after seeing watching so much of palestine footage, its… not that bad. They suffered for like 30 seconds, and then peace.
If you listen to hind rajab’s audio, that thing is super devastating. Like imagine being 5 with your parents dead in the car with you, trying to explain to paramedics, imagine what those paramedics must have felt in that moment. All the agony, all the struggle. Like what thoughts did hind have while waiting for paramedics to arrive?
I think the reason this flight audio feels so scary to western audience is because, so many people have flown, and “it could be any of us”, whereas hind rajab and other palestinians live in a “war torn” country. Like it happens all the time over there anyways.
Nice whataboutism.
It’s called a comparison.
A whataboutism is a comparison, yeah. It’s just jarring to me for someone to say “oh you think this recent recording of someone who’s about to die in a non-political situation is bad? What about the recording from months ago in Palestine?!?”
Most whataboutisms are done unintentionally, but they’re worth calling out.
No. A whataboutism is also rhetorical fallacy, that is just a comparison. They’re not arguing that plane crashes don’t matter because Palestine, they are specifically comparing levels of horror and stating that one is less.
They’re communicating that they’ve been desensitized to a high degree because of the brutality of the genocide, that this feels pale in comparison.
I agree. I heard the audio on the news site, it had a warning which is fine, but wasn’t that bad. An adult knew she’s going to die and communicated it in a rather calm manner, it was quick, you didn’t hear anything but her voice, and wouldn’t know what happened or when relative to what she said.
I googled Learjet just to get more details on the plane, and the first thing I hit was a reddit post which had a supposed pilot explaining their experience, but the mod was in there banning people for posting the audio, with a pinned comment explaining that, and describing it as extreme gore and nsfl. It’s not that bad.
Did the video of the plane crashing horrify you?
A few years ago, it would have been horrifying. After watching children’s brains spilling out of their heads for over a year, it’s just an accident like any other, it triggers nothing emotionally.
One of the wings definitely looks gone
Both wings were still attached, it’s just very poorly visible here. There are slightly sharper stills out there that more clearly show both are present at this point.
Don’t listen to the audio. You can’t unhear it.
I didn’t know it existed. Now you have basically forced my hand, I’ve got to listen to it now. I am morbidly curious
Except if you’re one of the people celebrating this because a business jet was mentioned, then please do listen to the audio.
The fuck dude? Pilot and copilot were just normal people doing their job and you can clearly tell they were in distress from the audio. It’s not that hard to give an ounce of respect for them and their loved ones.
It’s not that hard to give an ounce of respect for them and their loved ones.
Which is exactly why I’m advocating for the people celebrating this to listen to said audio.
Ohh, I definitely interpreted your comment wrong first. Sorry
And for those of us that aren’t weak as fuck, where is that audio?
Twitter.
It’s pretty on par with other airline crash audio. Yeah, super tragic and sad, mostly that things went from “hey, ATC, we’re good, but maybe not looking 100% right now…” To falling out of the sky within 30 seconds and dropping so hard they sounded like they might have pulled some Gs trying to bank out of the descent at one point. You can do everything right, and still get messed up. Icing is a real danger, and acts fast.
Any idea who was on board? Sucks we lost a pilot and maybe some other innocents, but seeing a dead 1% would cheer me up a little
No idea, other than the co-pilot that was on the comms was one of those brilliant kids that got their license in high school. She was only 20 and had 1300 flight hours.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/11/02/us/nathalia-filgueiras-florida-plane-crash-pilot.html
I found it pretty easily searching for “Florida plane crash audio”. Cnn had a version that cuts out right after it starts to go wrong, the actual one ends with “we’re out of time”.
It is pretty brutal imo. She knew what was happening and that there was no stopping it, though there was at least some denial. Can’t blame her though, going from a routine thing she did regularly, if in a bit of hairy weather, to being in a situation where it was almost certain she would die over a span of seconds. She spent more time knowing it was over than it took for it to go from normal to fucked and all she could do about it was declare an emergency.
Hope quantum immortality is real for her sake and she’s currently sitting in the Bahamas waiting for their return flight in a universe where she veered in a slightly different course that missed the worst of it.
