This black man fought with Wellington at Waterloo. Is he not English?
Here is an interesting image. It is of John Blanke who was a prominent Black musician and royal trumpeter in the early 16th-century English courts of Henry VII and Henry VIII. He is one of the earliest documented people of African descent in Tudor England, famously depicted in the 1511 Westminster Tournament Roll. As a court musician, Blanke played at major events, including the funeral of Henry VII and the coronation of Henry VIII.
He is black but undeniably English.
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Good.
A bunch of UKippers or whatever they were back then had been pissing their pants about having to tick “British” and insisted that “English” should be added to the (traditional, 200 year old) census.
So the sour-faced swivel-eyed gammonic ultracunts eventually got their way and “English” was added to the census options.
But since then, the same or similar had been crying about how “brown people aren’t allowed to be English, because English is a race now, and it’s exclusively a white one”.
So this act, though small, might help urge enough of the screaming red-faced faragist traitor cunts to an early heart attack, thus leading to the saving of Britain, perhaps Europe and possibly the world.
“Races” as distinct biological categories do not actually exist in humans; genetics shows more variation within so-called racial groups than between them, meaning humanity is one interconnected, genetically diverse species, Homo sapiens. While there are physical differences such as skin colour, these are superficial, resulting from adaptation to local environments, not deep genetic divisions, and race is understood by scientists as a social construct with real-world social impacts, not a biological reality. I attach a fine soecimin of the English race.
I’m beginning to suspect that might be a photo of the OP (or at least one of his friends) :P
English isn’t an ethnicity? Is Ashkenazi?
No. The ethnicity is “white”. No idea about the other one.
In the census, the race was simply “white British, white Irish, white other” and “black British, black carribean, black african” for example.
Even the concept of a “white” ethnic group is a recent one. It wasn’t that long ago, all southern and eastern Europeans would not be considered “white”. Or more specifically, would not be considered the in-group of western civilisation. Which is the definition that “white” serves in the modern day.
It simply doesn’t exist.
Yes. You’re very wrong.
Within the “White” ethnic group, 74.4% (44.4 million) of usual residents in England and Wales identified their ethnic group as “English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British”. This was a decrease from 80.5% (45.1 million) in 2011, and a continued decrease from 2001, when 87.5% (45.5 million) identified as “White: British”.
…and this shows the census before (2001) and the census after (2011), after a bunch of bnp proto-ukippy knobs had cried enough to try and get “English” added to sub-options for “ethnic group”.
Also, “Ethnic group” is still not the same as “Race”.
I’m sure I’ve only ever seen this argument once before, and I’m now suspecting it was probably from you.
Remind me… How is English not an ethnicity?
How can you have only seen this argument once before if “bnp proto-ukippy knobs” were crying about it three decades ago? Good to hear someone else has corrected you on Lemmy tho, you’re disingenuous.
Sorry, I missed this before - apologies, I wasn’t clear enough - I meant “I’ve only seen one person shout about this on Lemmy” like within the last year or so.
It was from when the UKIP/Reform types were all wetting their nappies because Rishi Sunak had referred to himself as English.
My apologies - it seemingly wasn’t you who was shouting about this, it was someone with a different username, who seemingly got banned about 5 months ago for being a racist/paedo/traitor/russian-spam-factory or whatever etc.
British is a Nationality. English is a sub-nationality. If Britain separated into England/Scotland/Wales/N.Ireland, then “English” would be the nationality of people born in the “England” bit.
The ethnicity bit is “white” or perhaps “European” or “caucasian”.
There’s no solitary English “ethnicity”.
For example, a chap whose family have lived in the North East for 500 years have a lot more “ethnically” in common with someone from Scandinavia than with someone from the South of England - but in the larger scale of things they’re both “white”.
Anyway, I very much doubt we’ll ever agree on this, so I’ll leave you to it.
You lack understanding. I suggest you read more, perhaps start with the definition of ethnicity.
Flip what you’ve said, replace white with black and you should be able to see how wrong you are. If you can’t, you’re racist.
I mean you pretty much said it yourself, the census says “White: English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British”. It doesn’t differentiate between these groups. One of them is literally 3 of them stuck together.
Let’s say I agree (I don’t)… Then what is “Black English”?
Not a Brit, but man I find this stuff fucking stupid. We’re all fucking humans & that’s all that should matter. Someday there’ll be enough cross-breeding that the only relevant category will be “mutt” - too bad it won’t be in my lifetime.
Whilst that’s true, this is specifically what a census is for - putting things into groups.
Yeah, I know. Humans being what we are, my idealized society is unlikely to ever actually happen. Doesn’t mean I still don’t find it all a bit absurd.
Does your ideal society not have good demographic information about its population available? Why not?
The entire point of the census is to collect detailed information about your population though
They sure are excellent at delivering shit nobody asked for. 🚽